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2011 Harp Cars

  • Jessica
    Jessica Frost

    Hi all! I have a 2002 Ford Windstar that is on it's last leg and I'm in the market for a new harp car. I really prefer column loading but am willing to consider gas efficient models (like the Prius) that would require loading on the side.


    My first choice is the Toyota Sienna but it appears that the new models no longer have a flat folding third row. Does anyone know how high the third row is when flat and if this makes loading a harp impossible? ….Why do car makers have to "fix things" and change things that are already working well for us!


    I also like the Prius and we have loaded my Daphne 40 in it but I don't know if it will accommodate my LH23. Does anyone know if the Prius fits a 23 and if so, how many seats are still available for seating?


    Thanks in advance!

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    • Jean
      Jean Mac

      I just bought a Chevrolet HHR, but do not have your size harp, but I would check it out, as reasonably priced.  It comes in 2 engines 2.2 and 2.4 still I believe, but you won't approach the gas mileage of a Prius.  Happy hunting!  :-) Jean

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    • Laura
      Laura Palmieri

      Just to tag along with Jessica's last post, I'm in the market looking for a new harp car also. I notice that the car makers have been changing so many things that used to work for harpists in the past. The newer models have less cargo room and seats not being able to fold anymore. It would have to be excellent on gas and an SUV or wagon being the smallest transport car possible( since I just got rid of my van) ... Any experiences with 2007-2011 cars would be great since those are the years I'm looking at. I've tried the Honda Fit and Toyota Matrix which were alright for my L&H CG, but way too tight. I'm trying out the Honda CRV and Toyota Rav4 this week but any suggestions would be helpful. Thank you!

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    • Helen
      Helen Rudd

      I have been shopping around for cars as well (and harps for that matter!) Currently I have just a small 85p l&h but I plan on getting a concert grand some time in the near future. I have been looking at the Subaru Forrester and the Outback. Does anyone currently use those cars? Do they work well for the larger harps?

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    • Saul
      Saul Davis Zlatkovski

      I recently heard that the high cost of a Prius surpasses the amount one can save in gas. I am not fond of how silent they are. People I know have been nearly hit by one.

      It sounds to me like harpists need to make a united appeal to car manufacturers to retain features we need like flat folding seats!

      My brother bought an old Volvo station wagon, and it works very well.

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    • Kreig
      Kreig Kitts

      Also, the Prius fits a concert grand only if the driver is short. At 6' with long legs, I cannot fit my harp in a Prius. When I finally got the door closed, the driver's seat had to be so far up I couldn't get my right leg across the steering wheel.

      The length was OK, but the hatch wouldn't close over the base because the inside molding was contacting the leg with about an inch left to close it. Maybe a harp with a different base or legs might work, or maybe the shape of the inside molding of the hatch varies over model years to fit some harps better than others.

      A shame because I love driving a Prius much more than the Element I end up using when I need to move the harp. I've submitted feedback to ZipCar that I'd prefer more full size wagons.


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    • Philippa
      Philippa mcauliffe

      Forrester didn't fit ours. Outback and liberty wagon yes. Mazda 6 wagon a bit less money, harp plus accessories ok and more mod cons but not 4wd. Skoda superb and vw not big enough. Volvo very nice but twice the price. Rav 4 lots of space, didn't like the feel or interior. Utilitarian would be an understatement. Kluger has similar boot space to rav but rather like a tank. You might get a better one on you side of the world though. We have to have 2 passengers but I guess with left hand drive it is length behind driver that counts for a flat load unlike our right-hand drive.

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    • Amanda
      Amanda Kron

      Just bought a 2012 Mazda 5 to move my Lyon and Healy style 30 CG. The middle and back seats fold completely flat, and I love it!

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    • Kreig
      Kreig Kitts

      Prius update: Elsewhere I posted that the new Prius (V) is supposed to be 6 inches longer than the previous model. This would make it a much more viable harp car, though you'd probably want to verify this with a dealer and make sure the harp and driver both fit.

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    • Alison
      Alison P

      I'd be delighted to join a concerted campaign to the car manufacturers, many times have I thought of doing this and was browsing car models yesterday.  Most of the station wagons are sportier and shorter now and so we will run out of viable options.  I have two old volvo's (740& 960) so I am never caught out if one is off the road, but actually they are light rear-wheel drive cars and hopeless in the snow and living in a very hilly area, (with a garden steep enough to sledge in), I can't go anywhere after snow for a week sometimes and that is restrictive generally. They are truly useless in the snow and so I ought to find a front wheel drive to replace one of them. 

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    • Sherry
      Sherry Lenox

      I don't work for Ford but I own one! We have a Ford Flex that is worth every cent of its cost. It has gotten me to and from events in ice and snow, its VERY easy to load and unload, and it's comfortable to use with the two back seats down flat.


      The gas mileage averages around 20 mpg. Also a wonderful trip car.

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    • Alison
      Alison P

      Wow, it certainly sounds and looks nice but very pricey and apparently oversized for quaint old England and our parking spaces.  A 4-wheel drive would be handy in the worst weather..I had one once.   http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article6840117.ece?token=null&offset=12&pag

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    • Kreig
      Kreig Kitts

      That is a wonderfully entertaining car review.

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    • Emma
      Emma Graham

      Volvo XC70 is the best harp car I've ever had. The load space is huge and nice and high so it's a doddle to load. My styles 23 and 11 both fit with masses of room to spare. Plus it has automatic boot opening from the key remote! I have the 2 wheel drive version because it's cheaper to run and we have snow once in a blue moon. The 4 wheel drive version would be perfect if you need it.

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    • Rod
      Rod C.

      Georgina:

      I like the Outbacks.  How well do they work as a harpmobile? What kind of harp do you have?

      I have an LH 85 CG pedal harp.  74 inches tall. Would it fit well into an outback?

      Cheers,

      Rod C.

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    • Philippa
      Philippa mcauliffe

      Hi Rod, 

      Which country are you in?  Outback was fine for our  Camac Atlantide Prestige.   I am sure it's that high if not a bit bigger.  We are R hand drive though so it would look different in the US.   What wasn't so fine was closing the garage door that comes down from above for us - there was about 1" clearance so parking would have been a real effort every time.  The salesman was not to be deterred as we tested this with him in the car.  He told us to hang a ping pong ball from the ceiling in the right spot and stop when it hit the windscreen! 

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    • B
      B M

      Ford Escape fits my L&H 85 E semigrand beautifully! Make sure any Escapes you look at have completely removable bottom seat cushions for the back seats when you lay down the back seats if you are needing to fit a semigrand. Not sure if a CG will fit, though...haven't tried it.

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    • Kay
      Kay Lister

      Anyone have the Honda Crossroads?  I see that the back seats fold down and pretty sure it would NOT work with a pedal harp, but might for a lever. 

      Kay

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    • Jessica
      Jessica Wolff

      I wish someone would make a 3-seater.

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    • Kreig
      Kreig Kitts

      That Ford Escape seat cushion bit is a bit of an annoyance, but otherwise it's a pretty good harp car. At 6 feet tall anything that's not a full size SUV or wagon has issues when carrying a concert grand, but the Escape did OK. I had to move the seat up as much as I could, and had to keep wiggling the harp back and forth a few times to get some magical angle that would let me shut the back door, but anybody 5'10" or less shouldn't have a problem.

      My main complaint about the Escape I rented wasn't directly harp-related but might keep me from buying it if I were shopping: the model I rented had this huge control panel covered in buttons. I never had so much trouble turning on a defroster and regulating the fan, and even if you're familiar with the controls you would have to take your eyes and attention off the road for several seconds to adjust anything while driving.

       

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    • Danielle
      Danielle Elizabeth

      Thank you everyone for the info!


      I'm also in the market for a (preferably new) car to fit my 85CG.

      Looking for something that is small, affordable, reliable, and has good gas mileage.


      I'm interested in the Toyota Matrix...has anyone had success with it?


      Any other suggestions?


      Thank you!

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